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Jan 3 2004, 01:54 PM
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![]() MASS MURDERER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Banned Posts: 1817 Joined: 26-November 03 From: Jacksonville FL Member No.: 147 |
Here's this - web page Here is the E-mail: Hi Bill, I followed your story about John Hennessey with much interest and want to thank you for your various posts regarding it. Unfortunately however, I hold the title of the King of Stupid when it comes to falling victim to John Hennessey's scams and I know my loss (in monetary terms alone) easily gives me bragging rights to that title. =) It was greatly to my disadvantage that I didn't get wind of Hennessey's antics (as posted on the Corvette Forum and the VCA forum) until long after I'd already given him my car, as well as -all- of the money agreed upon up for the scheduled work in advance. I feel like a complete jackass. Do you happen to remember the issue of Motor Trend this last Spring that showed John Hennessey's Venom 800 on the cover? Never having been an true American muscle car fan as much as a Porsche guy up until that time, I didn't really know all that much about Vipers, other than I liked the look of them, etc. But when I saw the numbers John supposedly wrung out of that orange Viper in the article, I was astounded. I had to have one! So I did some looking on the web, found his website, and sent him an e-mail. He responded and after that initial contact I talked to him on the phone, as well as thru e-mails. He was personable and friendly (as I'm sure you found him to be initially) and he seemed competent and straightforward. Accordingly, I located a new Viper GTS in Idaho and had it trucked down to Utah (where I live) and continued to go over everything with John as I decided which options to go with, etc., until finally we'd come to an agreement that totaled $122,500--not including the car (yes, I know, I know, Bill--I'm a complete idiot). In my defense, I guess, I'd like to say that: 1) I didn't really know Vipers--as I mentioned--and it seemed to me that all of the options I'd chosen were both very worthwhile or necessary; 2) the Venom 800's performance put it into another league altogether and as such the cost seemed reasonable in light of what you'd get (or not get) for the same money if you went with a very custom Porsche, Ferrari, or Lamborghini, etc.; and 3) Hennessey seemed to have a very solid reputation in the tuner industry (I -assumed-), not unlike RUF, Lingenfelter, or Saleen, etc. I drove my new Viper only several hundred miles over the next few weeks before I arranged to have John send a fellow to pick up my car and transport it down to his shop in Houston. Interestingly, John pushed pretty hard for all of the money for the Venom 800 project up front, though he only really insisted on half. Based on what I believed to be one of the most trusted names in the industry, however, I agreed to wire him the entire $122,500 up front, which I did. What an unbelievable mistake. A date of approximately 12 weeks from the date he took delivery was projected for completion of the car (he took delivery of the car in April of last year), making the due date approximately mid-July. Over the course of the next couple of months, I heard very little from John, but I assumed all was in order (I'd never done this sort of thing before, after all). In early July, John called me to discuss ways to produce even more horsepower from the car buy rebuilding the engine with all titanium parts so that it could run reliably at 16-18 psi, vs. the originally planned 10-12 psi. For this new upgrade (which he dubbed the "Venom 1000" due to his anticipating between 1000 and 1100 bhp at the crank) he stated that he needed another $20,000, and asked for it ASAP if possible, stating that it would greatly speed up his ability to get the parts quicker. I agreed and sent him another wire for $20,000. Because of the additional modifications, John now estimated a September delivery date. September came and went. Then, around the end of October, I started putting a little pressure on John, asking him when he was going to be done with the car. He blamed his inability to get certain parts for the Venom 1000 on the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks (no, I've never been able to see the connection either) but assured me that everything would be wrapping up soon. November came and November went. Then in early December, I got a phone call from a fellow who asked me how my car was doing and what I'd heard about it. I replied with the facts above and he told me that John was basically sticking it to me and that I should go to the Viper Club of America forum and the Corvette Forum and do a little reading. Your case was noted. He assured me that I was getting screwed badly. I began to get nervous. It was at this time that I first read your bad experiences with John Hennessey, as well as those of others and I began to get even more nervous. And I began to get angry. I called John and asked him straight up, "John, will I get my car back?" To which he replied with a hurt tone, "Yes! Of course. What do you mean?," and wanted to know why I didn't trust him anymore. I didn't tell him that anyone had called me, but I did tell him that I'd read a lot of disturbing things on the forums about him. He had no reply whatsoever for that one and changed the subject. I told him I wanted my car finished and I wanted it finished quickly. He agreed that it would be ready in the beginning of January. Then, without warning, I flew a trusted buddy down to Houston to simply show up at John's shop and see what the status of my car was for himself. What my friend found was terribly discouraging. My car was there in his shop all right, but he discovered that John had sold my hood (one of the parts on a Viper worth quick cash I'm told - since they're $14,000 to replace) though I had NOT ordered his carbon fiber replacement hood, wanting instead to keep my stock one. I also discovered that John had sold my stock wheels and tires, though I had specifically requested that my stock wheels be fitted with slicks and returned to me as a second set of rims/tires. None of the parts that I had ordered (suspension upgrade, HRE wheels, body parts, Brembo brakes, Quaiffe diff, Connolly leather interior, etc., etc., etc.) were anywhere to be seen and John admitted that he did not have them. I told John at this time (thru my friend) that I wanted all the parts I'd ordered collected and the upgrades completed ASAP or there would be trouble. John hung his head and shifted from one foot to the other and assured me that everything would be completed immediately. My friend set a date in mid-January at which time he would return and actually hear the completed, modified engine actually start, in my car. John agreed. After this visit, John sent me a number of cheery e-mails in which he talked at great length about other subjects and another Viper he'd been working on and how he was getting great power out of it, etc., but not a thing about my car. Well Bill, my friend did indeed return to visit John just a few days ago and found that NOT A SINGLE THING had changed or had been completed. My car continues to sit in the corner of John's shop where it collects dust. The wheels are still missing, the hood is still missing, and the engine is yanked but as yet remains unmodified. Meanwhile, two reliable sources have told me that John just bought or built a new home for himself in Colorado. And I know I'm the one who made the down payment for it. I've decided that I've waited long enough. I contacted my attorneys recently and I'm starting the ball rolling on going after John for my car and for the $142,500 I fed into a black hole. I have no delusions about my likely failure to get anything out of John eventually, of course. I guess this is just one of those painfully difficult lessons life throws at you from time to time--in this case a lesson that cost me a staggering amount of money. It also makes me see just how amazingly stupid I really am. =) Bill, I hope you don't mind me unloading my experiences with John Hennessey on you. I realize you don't know me at all, but after reading your posts on the Corvette Forum, I felt a sort of kinship to you thru the misfortune we've shared at the hands of the same crook and I hope you don't mind my having contacted you with this lengthy story. I don't know anyone on the Corvette or Viper forums and since I never really entered into conversations there it seemed that it wouldn't really be appropriate for me to post this out of the blue, in any event. After reading your posts, however, as I said, I felt the need to get this off my chest to someone who really understood what it was like to get screwed by Hennessey firsthand. And if there is anything I can do to help you, as I embark on the next step of trying to get something back from Hennessey, I would be very pleased if you would let me try--and I mean this not as a platitude, but in all sincerity. Thanks for listening. =) Best regards, Taig Stewart -------------------- ![]() [QUOTE=SleepieAce,Jul 12 2004, 01:57 PM] [b]I'm pretty sure Gear's right [Quote] ![]() |
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Jan 3 2004, 03:07 PM
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![]() MASS MURDERER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3248 Joined: 6-December 03 From: Oklahoma MCAA member Member No.: 175 |
Thanks for the head up And that would of pissed me off :angrysmiley:
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Jan 3 2004, 05:24 PM
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![]() MASS MURDERER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Supporting Vendors Posts: 3733 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Dubai,United Arab Emirates Member No.: 52 |
Man this guy really got SCREWED. Hope he gets his money back from that a#$h#le. Why would Hennesey do this is still beyond me ? Guess when you're greedy nothing suffices. :angrysmiley:
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Jan 3 2004, 08:41 PM
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![]() MASS MURDERER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: ELITE KILLER MODERATOR Posts: 3001 Joined: 9-December 03 Member No.: 192 |
He has had a crappy rep for a few years. I remember the guy from the Forum who was posting about his problems. The only way the guy stays in business is because of uninformed individuals who give him their money.
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Jan 4 2004, 01:39 PM
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![]() MASS MURDERER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: ELITE KILLERS Posts: 2069 Joined: 21-November 03 From: N. Calif Member No.: 84 |
QUOTE (ub2slow @ Jan 3 2004, 04:41 PM) He has had a crappy rep for a few years. I remember the guy from the Forum who was posting about his problems. The only way the guy stays in business is because of uninformed individuals who give him their money. this is fairly old, I remember reading this and also seeing something in the news regarding the legal action. Never did see the outcome. Are they still in business. I think an investigation found that this is not the only guy who got taken. Sounds like he was running a chop shop of some sort! Jer -------------------- Ole' Buzzard
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Jan 5 2004, 02:19 AM
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![]() MASS MURDERER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: ELITE KILLER MODERATOR Posts: 1826 Joined: 23-November 03 From: Cincinnati, OH. Member No.: 126 |
QUOTE (ub2slow @ Jan 3 2004, 07:41 PM) He has had a crappy rep for a few years. I remember the guy from the Forum who was posting about his problems. The only way the guy stays in business is because of uninformed individuals who give him their money. That and the fact that the major magazines still want to play with his toys so he gets even more good press. I was suprised not to see even one bad word written about the man in any of the big three magazines |
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Jan 5 2004, 06:59 AM
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![]() MASS MURDERER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Supporting Vendors Posts: 3733 Joined: 21-November 03 From: Dubai,United Arab Emirates Member No.: 52 |
Well maybe that is where some of the money is going ???
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Jan 5 2004, 06:22 PM
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![]() MASS MURDERER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3248 Joined: 6-December 03 From: Oklahoma MCAA member Member No.: 175 |
I agree with V8
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Non Athletic Sport Centered Around REDNECKS 2004 Mazda RX8(stock)--Street Car 1992 Civic HB GSR Turbo 285hp--Race Car (Sold) 1994 Acura Integra GSR 4-door(100% stock)--Delivery Car |
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Jan 6 2004, 12:15 AM
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![]() MASS MURDERER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: ELITE KILLER MODERATOR Posts: 2948 Joined: 24-November 03 From: Toledo, Ohio Member No.: 134 |
Hennesey maybe "OK" with the mags... but I think just about any viper or corvette owner that runs into that guy is gonna wanna slap the concrete shoes on him.
He's really gotta watch his back. I never seen a forum get so angry when this shit started to break. -------------------- Sprayed, Stalled, Tuned
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Jan 8 2004, 10:51 PM
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AMATEUR KILLER ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 8-January 04 Member No.: 309 |
WOW!!! That thing is still floating around. I am the "Bill" that Taig is adressing in that letter. It was actually an Email Taig sent me over two years ago. I am the one who originally posted this on the internet over on the Corvette Forum. Since then Hennessey gave me 10k of the 20k he took, (I settled), 10k is better than no K. Taig got his Viper back a few months ago but it is still missing about 85K in parts. His lawsuit continues.
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Jan 9 2004, 12:38 AM
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![]() MASS MURDERER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Supporting Vendors Posts: 3163 Joined: 9-December 03 From: Annapolis Maryland Member No.: 195 |
man i'd be pissed i think for another 20k he could of got him snuffed and probably got most of his money back alot easier that way
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Jan 9 2004, 12:25 PM
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![]() MASS MURDERER ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: ELITE KILLERS Posts: 2069 Joined: 21-November 03 From: N. Calif Member No.: 84 |
QUOTE (No Mercy @ Jan 8 2004, 06:51 PM) WOW!!! That thing is still floating around. I am the "Bill" that Taig is adressing in that letter. It was actually an Email Taig sent me over two years ago. I am the one who originally posted this on the internet over on the Corvette Forum. Since then Hennessey gave me 10k of the 20k he took, (I settled), 10k is better than no K. Taig got his Viper back a few months ago but it is still missing about 85K in parts. His lawsuit continues. Yes, I am an old forum guy, and remember when you posted it. I can't believe he is still in business and people still give him their cars. He does some pretty awsome stuff or at least did, but to everyones expense! Jer -------------------- Ole' Buzzard
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