I dont typically post my kills unless its a video because well, its not as entertaining without video. Anyways I needed to pick up some parts to finish a project and on the way to the store, driving like I own the road because I do and some evo has the audacity to pull up next to me. I of course immediately stated my position as the alpha male by giving him the holy grail of all toilet flushes known as the LSX rev. Im not sure if it startled his white rimmed sunglasses or not because his car let out a turbo fart and he took off. I was already in second gear because he was racing whether he knew he was going to or not so I did one of my world famous burnouts and railed by him. I started laughing because of how fast I went by him and I almost had tears in my eyes because it was like a cartoon. Anyways he pulled up next to me again while I was laughing and said, "I wasnt ready, Im not making any boost." So I told him to make 50lbs or so and let me know when hes ready. So his evo came up on the rev limiter 50 or 60 times then came the brake boost. Keep in mind the entire time hes doing this Im patiently waiting at 4000rpm in second because Im trying for a better burnout when the time comes. Finally his evo takes off so fast that I think it shook some rice off the bumper. I was already 2 cars down when I jumped on it. Between the time he left to the time I passed him was no more than 5 seconds and I got to do a great burnout. But now I actually do have tears in my eyes because I had more room to make up so I was going like 30mph faster than he was when I passed him. Then I got hom and made one of the coupes a vette killa.

Good one man.


I used to enjoy beating up on the ricers, but I have got to where I feel bad for them. I'm getting soft in my old age I guess. Those kids think because it has a turbo that makes it faster than any car that does not have a turbo.

Not to say that they can't make these cars fast, but in stock or mildly modified form they are still just 4 bangers.

Agreed. I can't begin to explain to you what I did to an S2000 last night. It was brutal and uncalled for, and left me laughing as well -- mostly because the jackass driving the Honda was so serious about it.

theyre all the same. the other night i was out crusing and a fart tipped Prelude with 4 kids in it flew by me revving, only to be caught at the next red light. as we were waiting for the light to change, he kept revving it to let me know how powerful his car was. when the light finally turned, i wound it out in first gear. by the top of first i had put a car and a half on him, spinning the whole way. i let off after that, i had obviously proved whos car was faster, but he flew by me and put his hazards on. im sure somewhere there is a Prelude forum with a vette kill story on it

Just a general question, but what do you guys consider ricers? I am 25 and have browsed these forums for years, because I have always loved Corvettes and hope to own a new Z06 in the next 5 years. My current car, for instance, is a turbocharged 4 banger with somwhere in the 290 wheel HP range...I can provide a dyno graph in a little over a week when I get it tuned. Is any turbocharged 4 banger considered a ricer? In my book, a ricer is "all show, no go". Just curious what your thoughts were.

I am in no way trying to start any fighting or anything, I just want an honest answer. I have loved Vettes from the day I became interested in cars (probably around 5 or 6 years old), and will own a new Corvette someday. The only obstacle will be the cost of having and raising kids in the next few years!

Edit: The only performance modifications on my car at this time are a turbo-back exhaust and tune.

Yes I am afraid you are a ricer. Don't take it too seriously!

Definition - any car of Asian origin.

Colloquial use in American Muscle lingo - usually refers to economy Asian cars that have been modified to perform better, or appear to perform better.

So yes, a turbo 4 cylinder car of Asian origin would be referred to as a ricer even if it was one of these 800Hp EVO.

In reality, some American manufacturers have put their name on some ricers, so these cars will often be referred to as ricers. Ex. Cobalt SS, STI, etc.

The term ricer is often used with some measure of contempt directed at the drivers of these cars, due to three factors: (1) complete ignorance of things automotive, (2) elaborate, tacky decoration of the cars, and (3) the incredibly annoying sound of the buzzy mufflers.

A typical ricer would reason thus - "my new WRX has 300 HP. The 1985 Vette has 225 HP. Therefore it is obvious I will easily beat a 1985 Vette since I have 75 more HP."

These are the ones I enjoy beating up on (when they challenge me - I do not call them out). They have no clue as to the significance of big V8 torque. Torque is what wins these brief street contests, not horsepower. I have surprised many a turbo ricer with my modest carriage, even some modified ones. They have a narrow band near peak RPM where their car will accelerate faster than mine. However, across the RPM spectrum, mine is generally faster unless they are heavily modified, such as a larger turbo/higher boost. Typical scenario, 40 roll, they match pace with me up to about 60, then they start to pull. As they are turning on flashers, I drop into third and blow by them like they are sitting still.

From all appearances you do not seem to be one of these types, so if the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.

My thought - enjoy your car, whatever it is, and don't make it a point to hunt big game until you have a larger gun. That Z06 you mentioned will fit the bill nicely.

Ok. I was just curious what you guys thought. My car is a 2007 STI (Subaru). I could have easily bought a nice Corvette for what I paid for this car, but I live in Wisconsin and wanted a year-round daily driver. I knew I wouldn't be happy driving the Vette for 1/2 the year and driving a beater for the other half. After my current car is paid off, I can get a Vette and drive the Subie as a daily driver.

Here's a link to a dyno graph of what my car would currently be putting down for power (if you even care, lol)...notice it says flywheel at the top, but show's wheel hp and tq near the bottom...there's a significant drivetrain loss for all-wheel drive cars, but I'm happy with the overall power and torque. I make max torque by 3,400 rpms, and starting out in 1st gear is the only time I'm below 3,400 rpms. By the way, I love the torque of my car.

http://www.cobbtuning.com/images_products/3158.jpg

Edit: The area I live in Wisconsin has an annual meet and drive for Corvette owners. Last weekend there were approximately 80 Vettes that did the cruise. I can't wait to do that in a few years!!!

Not bad. I would still have bought the Vette myself, but these are good numbers for a 4 cylinder. Should be a lot of fun to drive. Mid range torque is pretty strong, should give you a good kick when you downshift and floor it.

Your car would do well against mine. Still wouldn't be much competition for most of the late model Vettes, but I bet you would surprise some stock A4 C5's with this set up. Enjoy!

I see the term "ricer" as being negative. That, at least, is the connotation I use it in. So, cars that fit in my definition of "ricer" are: Those who are sticker-charged or as you've stated, VK07STI, "all show no go".

The "ricer crowd" that I've seen ruin car hang outs in my area usually consist of a bunch of kids who speed in parking lots, play their rap music way too loud on systems that sound rather distorted, usually wear the seat of their pants / shorts right about knee level. Kids that call nitrous oxide "naws"; that also believe a 100-shot will make their Civic do wonders against a Viper, and not crater the econo-box engine. It's more of a lifestyle around here.

Oh, by "ruin car hang outs" I mean they speed through parking lots, try to do burn outs, rev their fart-pipes, and become a general nuissance. We had some agreements with managers of various restaurants / Starbucks, that if people bought things, they could hang out in the parking lot and have 'car shows'. So, we did, but when the 'ricer crowd' came out, manager told everyone "you have to leave or I'm calling the cops".

The other reason I dislike them is they're the cause of media attention which has subsequentially created laws against street racing around the Dallas area. Since late 90s there were increasing instances of wrecks from street racing and 90% of the time it involved some highschooler in an econo-box. Inexperienced kids in incapable cars trying to live out their Fast and Furious dreams. Tsk.

Well said Len. It is indeed because of irresponsible driving on the part of these young men trying to wage war on one another with their cars, with reckless disregard for other drivers and/or their own limitations, that we have had this national crack down on street running, which is why you do not see me posting kill stories as often as I once did. It has ruined what was a very enjoyable aspect of my life just a few years ago.

Your dyno chart shows a high boots of 17.5 and low boost of 12. You sure that is stock? One other thing, for 17.5 lbs your numbers are a bit low IMO.

The VF43 stock turbo for the STI is a small turbo. Maximum boost for the stock map is around 14.3psi. The "stage 2" tune maxes out at 17.5, tapering to 12. If I had a larger turbo and supporting mods, such as the set-up a guy in Green Bay has (a GT35R), I would run around 28psi with 500 wheel HP.

The nice thing about my turbo is that it spools up much quicker than the larger turbos, but I also can't hold high boost levels up to redline.

One other thing to keep in mind is that the engine is only 2.5 liters. Small turbo + 2.5 liter engine = 300 wheel hp max.

4 banger or not....When my 2.73 geared auto C5 was bone stock with 299 rwhp the best i could muster stock was 13.5 at I beleave 103 mph...Now at the same track on the same days the stock 4 banger STI's were mustering 14.0's at 100 mph thorough their manual trannies...

Granted stock for stock I was ripping them pretty good..As the auto would run 13.5-13.7 every single time...

But i got to cocky and ran into a monster....The STI ran a 12.6 at 110 mph compared to my 13.7 at 102 mph..I ran him again and ran a 13.6 at 102 to his 12.8 at 111 mph..Man I remember it like it was yesterday..

Even after the mild heads and cam and 378 rwhp vrs my stock 299 rwhp i was still only able to muster 12.80 at 110.83 mph...Guess I could have given him a good run but still a lil off the mark of his 12.6..

I would have needed 400 rwhp in my vette to run with that lil 4 banger...

Now Id take a vette over a 4 door anything any day of the week..but respect is defiently honored on both sides

I never took pictures of it but a few days ago I sold my 2004 STI. Had purchased it for brotherinlaw that moved back overseas so I drove it awhile before I sold it. Im pretty sure they will pull a lateral G on dirt. lol And it had V8 torque with no turbo lag. Car was really a lot of fun. Built even cheaper than a Corvette but similar. You get a badass drivetrain and crap interior. On the street though you could wax up some fast cars because they dont hook. lol 7000rpm and dump the clutch and it pops. And it came stock with a 12 inch wing. Thats street credit.